1 00:00:39,110 --> 00:00:16,100 [Music] 2 00:00:43,670 --> 00:00:41,910 a ufo landing at holloman air force base 3 00:00:45,990 --> 00:00:43,680 by charles lear 4 00:00:48,229 --> 00:00:46,000 ufo documentaries besides being 5 00:00:50,389 --> 00:00:48,239 informative and entertaining also serve 6 00:00:53,910 --> 00:00:50,399 to preserve ufo history for future 7 00:00:56,310 --> 00:00:53,920 researchers however one documentary ufos 8 00:00:58,869 --> 00:00:56,320 it has begun has itself become a part of 9 00:01:00,950 --> 00:00:58,879 ufo history one of its producers has 10 00:01:03,110 --> 00:01:00,960 claimed that the u.s department of 11 00:01:05,189 --> 00:01:03,120 defense offered him and his partner the 12 00:01:07,750 --> 00:01:05,199 use of some film footage taken by the 13 00:01:10,630 --> 00:01:07,760 air force at holloman air force base 14 00:01:12,310 --> 00:01:10,640 according to him it showed a ufo landing 15 00:01:14,310 --> 00:01:12,320 and the meeting between its occupants 16 00:01:16,310 --> 00:01:14,320 and air force officials and it was going 17 00:01:18,469 --> 00:01:16,320 to be the finale of the documentary 18 00:01:20,789 --> 00:01:18,479 until the dod withdrew the offer at the 19 00:01:24,950 --> 00:01:20,799 last minute the movie was originally 20 00:01:27,429 --> 00:01:24,960 released in 1974 as ufos past present 21 00:01:29,990 --> 00:01:27,439 and future it was written primarily by 22 00:01:32,789 --> 00:01:30,000 robert emeneger who also produced it 23 00:01:35,109 --> 00:01:32,799 along with alan sandler it has rod 24 00:01:37,590 --> 00:01:35,119 serling as its main narrator and there 25 00:01:39,749 --> 00:01:37,600 are appearances by burgess meredith jose 26 00:01:43,830 --> 00:01:39,759 ferreira jacques filet and j allen 27 00:01:46,069 --> 00:01:43,840 heineck in 1976 and 1979 it was 28 00:01:47,670 --> 00:01:46,079 re-released under its new title the 29 00:01:49,749 --> 00:01:47,680 story of the film's beginning is as 30 00:01:51,670 --> 00:01:49,759 follows emanager and sandler had 31 00:01:53,510 --> 00:01:51,680 originally set out to produce a series 32 00:01:55,670 --> 00:01:53,520 of films about advanced military 33 00:01:57,590 --> 00:01:55,680 technology but were diverted by an 34 00:02:00,069 --> 00:01:57,600 intriguing piece of information offered 35 00:02:02,230 --> 00:02:00,079 by their military contact paul shardle 36 00:02:05,350 --> 00:02:02,240 with whom they were working at norton 37 00:02:07,429 --> 00:02:05,360 air force base shardl security manager 38 00:02:09,749 --> 00:02:07,439 and chief of requirements for the audio 39 00:02:12,309 --> 00:02:09,759 visual program at the base said he had 40 00:02:14,229 --> 00:02:12,319 seen a film of an alien craft landing at 41 00:02:17,190 --> 00:02:14,239 holloman air force base three years 42 00:02:19,589 --> 00:02:17,200 previous as discussions about possible 43 00:02:21,830 --> 00:02:19,599 projects continued the idea that one of 44 00:02:24,070 --> 00:02:21,840 them be about ufos came up and was 45 00:02:25,830 --> 00:02:24,080 encouraged by military officials who 46 00:02:28,309 --> 00:02:25,840 offered the producers the use of the 47 00:02:30,790 --> 00:02:28,319 footage emmenaeger and sandler decided 48 00:02:33,190 --> 00:02:30,800 to go ahead with a ufo documentary and 49 00:02:35,509 --> 00:02:33,200 the film was made watching the film the 50 00:02:37,509 --> 00:02:35,519 cooperation of the dod is apparent 51 00:02:39,350 --> 00:02:37,519 former air force public information 52 00:02:41,910 --> 00:02:39,360 officer for project blue book colonel 53 00:02:44,550 --> 00:02:41,920 william coleman usaf describes the 54 00:02:45,990 --> 00:02:44,560 military's involvement with ufos while 55 00:02:48,309 --> 00:02:46,000 walking through the inner ring of the 56 00:02:50,790 --> 00:02:48,319 pentagon former head of project blue 57 00:02:53,350 --> 00:02:50,800 book robert friend makes an appearance 58 00:02:55,430 --> 00:02:53,360 and tells of a bizarre contact d case 59 00:02:57,670 --> 00:02:55,440 involving a naval intelligence officer 60 00:02:59,910 --> 00:02:57,680 investigating it going into a trance and 61 00:03:01,990 --> 00:02:59,920 channeling a group of aliens according 62 00:03:03,350 --> 00:03:02,000 to friend the aliens produced a flying 63 00:03:06,229 --> 00:03:03,360 disc for the officer's fellow 64 00:03:08,390 --> 00:03:06,239 investigators on request friend is later 65 00:03:10,869 --> 00:03:08,400 seen interviewing the four-man army 66 00:03:13,190 --> 00:03:10,879 reserve crew who were involved in the 67 00:03:15,430 --> 00:03:13,200 coin helicopter incident and the story 68 00:03:17,830 --> 00:03:15,440 is told of how their helicopter was 69 00:03:19,750 --> 00:03:17,840 seemingly pulled up by a ufo from 70 00:03:22,309 --> 00:03:19,760 seventeen hundred feet to thirty eight 71 00:03:24,630 --> 00:03:22,319 hundred feet in a matter of seconds what 72 00:03:27,030 --> 00:03:24,640 should be of interest to historians is a 73 00:03:30,149 --> 00:03:27,040 discussion among jl and heineck robert 74 00:03:31,910 --> 00:03:30,159 friend al chop and hector quintanilla 75 00:03:33,830 --> 00:03:31,920 quintanilla was a project blue book 76 00:03:35,910 --> 00:03:33,840 director heineck was a scientific 77 00:03:38,070 --> 00:03:35,920 consultant for the project and al chop 78 00:03:40,309 --> 00:03:38,080 was a press liaison at the pentagon who 79 00:03:43,830 --> 00:03:40,319 dealt with ufo inquiries and was in the 80 00:03:45,830 --> 00:03:43,840 radar room during the 1952 washington dc 81 00:03:47,990 --> 00:03:45,840 ufo incident they all give their 82 00:03:50,309 --> 00:03:48,000 speculations on what might be behind the 83 00:03:52,550 --> 00:03:50,319 ufo mystery ranging from hynek's 84 00:03:54,229 --> 00:03:52,560 interdimensional theory to chop's belief 85 00:03:56,869 --> 00:03:54,239 that creatures from other planets are 86 00:03:59,589 --> 00:03:56,879 visiting earth quintanilla noted skeptic 87 00:04:01,910 --> 00:03:59,599 and debunker says he believes e.t is out 88 00:04:04,149 --> 00:04:01,920 there at the end of the film is an 89 00:04:06,869 --> 00:04:04,159 illustrated sequence that is described 90 00:04:09,429 --> 00:04:06,879 by rod serling as an event that might 91 00:04:11,589 --> 00:04:09,439 happen in the future or perhaps could 92 00:04:14,070 --> 00:04:11,599 have happened already what is shown as a 93 00:04:15,990 --> 00:04:14,080 ufo landing in an air force base and a 94 00:04:17,990 --> 00:04:16,000 meeting between alien beings and us 95 00:04:20,069 --> 00:04:18,000 military officials according to 96 00:04:21,990 --> 00:04:20,079 emmanager this was based on the film 97 00:04:22,870 --> 00:04:22,000 footage that was promised by the air 98 00:04:24,310 --> 00:04:22,880 force 99 00:04:25,909 --> 00:04:24,320 emmenaeger has spoken about his 100 00:04:27,909 --> 00:04:25,919 experience working on the film on 101 00:04:29,830 --> 00:04:27,919 different occasions and one version of 102 00:04:32,870 --> 00:04:29,840 his story can be heard during an 103 00:04:34,950 --> 00:04:32,880 interview with mel fabregas emmenager 104 00:04:36,870 --> 00:04:34,960 begins by giving his background which 105 00:04:38,790 --> 00:04:36,880 seems to offer credence to his being 106 00:04:41,590 --> 00:04:38,800 offered film footage that would most 107 00:04:43,749 --> 00:04:41,600 likely be highly classified according to 108 00:04:46,070 --> 00:04:43,759 him he was the creative director at the 109 00:04:48,390 --> 00:04:46,080 gray advertising company which had done 110 00:04:50,469 --> 00:04:48,400 work for the nixon administration he 111 00:04:52,629 --> 00:04:50,479 brings up his and sandler's earlier 112 00:04:54,710 --> 00:04:52,639 relationship with the us government 113 00:04:57,110 --> 00:04:54,720 saying they had made a film for the navy 114 00:04:59,110 --> 00:04:57,120 to help sailors recognize an alcohol 115 00:05:01,189 --> 00:04:59,120 problem and had also made a series of 116 00:05:03,749 --> 00:05:01,199 promos in support of public funding for 117 00:05:05,749 --> 00:05:03,759 nasa's shuttle program he says he was a 118 00:05:08,469 --> 00:05:05,759 friend of nixon's chief of staff bob 119 00:05:10,710 --> 00:05:08,479 haldeman and that he emeneger received a 120 00:05:12,629 --> 00:05:10,720 letter from nixon asking for names of 121 00:05:15,350 --> 00:05:12,639 people he'd recommend to be part of 122 00:05:17,270 --> 00:05:15,360 nixon's administration researcher robbie 123 00:05:19,749 --> 00:05:17,280 graham who wrote about this story for 124 00:05:21,270 --> 00:05:19,759 the website mysterious universe provides 125 00:05:23,990 --> 00:05:21,280 some additional information about 126 00:05:26,469 --> 00:05:24,000 sandler according to graham emmanager 127 00:05:28,629 --> 00:05:26,479 told him that sandler had very strange 128 00:05:32,310 --> 00:05:28,639 connections and that he did things for 129 00:05:34,870 --> 00:05:32,320 the cia and maybe even the fbi they all 130 00:05:36,790 --> 00:05:34,880 seemed to work together in the fabregas 131 00:05:38,950 --> 00:05:36,800 interview after giving the background 132 00:05:41,029 --> 00:05:38,960 information eminence goes into the 133 00:05:43,270 --> 00:05:41,039 details of how the dod's offer of the 134 00:05:45,110 --> 00:05:43,280 film footage came about he says that 135 00:05:47,430 --> 00:05:45,120 charles took him and sandler into a 136 00:05:49,350 --> 00:05:47,440 clean room which is a room free of mics 137 00:05:51,430 --> 00:05:49,360 and cameras and told them about the 138 00:05:54,230 --> 00:05:51,440 holloman film and how it had been sent 139 00:05:56,070 --> 00:05:54,240 to norton according to emmanager shardle 140 00:05:57,749 --> 00:05:56,080 said that if they were interested they 141 00:05:59,749 --> 00:05:57,759 should talk to a certain captain 142 00:06:00,950 --> 00:05:59,759 emmanager doesn't remember his name who 143 00:06:03,909 --> 00:06:00,960 would put them in touch with the 144 00:06:05,830 --> 00:06:03,919 pentagon emmenager says he and sandler 145 00:06:07,909 --> 00:06:05,840 visited the pentagon repeatedly and 146 00:06:10,550 --> 00:06:07,919 never signed in which had also been the 147 00:06:12,150 --> 00:06:10,560 case at norton he speculates that this 148 00:06:14,550 --> 00:06:12,160 was for the purpose of plausible 149 00:06:16,629 --> 00:06:14,560 deniability he says they met with 150 00:06:18,550 --> 00:06:16,639 colonel william coleman who okayed the 151 00:06:20,950 --> 00:06:18,560 use of the film and told them that the 152 00:06:22,950 --> 00:06:20,960 air force would sponsor the documentary 153 00:06:24,950 --> 00:06:22,960 this was according to emmanager for the 154 00:06:27,110 --> 00:06:24,960 purpose of improving public relations 155 00:06:29,749 --> 00:06:27,120 with the military in the aftermath of 156 00:06:31,590 --> 00:06:29,759 the vietnam war emanager says there were 157 00:06:33,189 --> 00:06:31,600 production meetings at the pentagon 158 00:06:35,670 --> 00:06:33,199 where no one questioned the section of 159 00:06:37,990 --> 00:06:35,680 the script dealing with holloman he said 160 00:06:39,830 --> 00:06:38,000 i couldn't believe it but i said well 161 00:06:42,550 --> 00:06:39,840 and went along with it according to 162 00:06:44,550 --> 00:06:42,560 emmenaeger after a long wait coleman 163 00:06:47,110 --> 00:06:44,560 told the producers that the climate 164 00:06:49,029 --> 00:06:47,120 created by the watergate scandal made it 165 00:06:51,510 --> 00:06:49,039 an inappropriate time to release the 166 00:06:54,390 --> 00:06:51,520 holloman footage the movie was finished 167 00:06:55,909 --> 00:06:54,400 and released in 1974 and the illustrated 168 00:06:58,710 --> 00:06:55,919 sequence was used in place of the 169 00:07:00,950 --> 00:06:58,720 hallman film it's quite a story but the 170 00:07:02,629 --> 00:07:00,960 main source is eminencer one might 171 00:07:05,029 --> 00:07:02,639 dismiss it if there were any doubts as 172 00:07:07,909 --> 00:07:05,039 to emanager's credibility but as with 173 00:07:10,550 --> 00:07:07,919 many ufo tales there is a twist the 174 00:07:13,990 --> 00:07:10,560 twist in this tale came in 1988 on the 175 00:07:16,150 --> 00:07:14,000 television program ufo cover-up live 176 00:07:17,749 --> 00:07:16,160 hosted by mike farrell near the 177 00:07:19,990 --> 00:07:17,759 beginning of the program coleman and 178 00:07:22,870 --> 00:07:20,000 friend appear and coleman tells of being 179 00:07:25,589 --> 00:07:22,880 in a b-25 while chasing a 70-foot disc 180 00:07:28,550 --> 00:07:25,599 over alabama in 1955. 181 00:07:30,550 --> 00:07:28,560 later just after the 46-minute mark 182 00:07:32,710 --> 00:07:30,560 after talking with william moore stanton 183 00:07:35,029 --> 00:07:32,720 friedman and jesse marcel jr about 184 00:07:37,110 --> 00:07:35,039 roswell farrell walks over to sit down 185 00:07:38,870 --> 00:07:37,120 with eminencer and shardle emeniger 186 00:07:40,870 --> 00:07:38,880 tells the story of how shardle brought 187 00:07:43,909 --> 00:07:40,880 up the holloman film and then farrell 188 00:07:47,350 --> 00:07:43,919 asks what did you see mr shardle shardle 189 00:07:49,589 --> 00:07:47,360 describes seeing three disc shaped craft 190 00:07:51,830 --> 00:07:49,599 according to him one seemed to be having 191 00:07:55,189 --> 00:07:51,840 problems and it landed while the other 192 00:07:57,430 --> 00:07:55,199 two left he says that three aliens came 193 00:07:59,670 --> 00:07:57,440 out at which point a chuckle escapes 194 00:08:03,029 --> 00:07:59,680 from pharaoh as he asks what they look 195 00:08:05,270 --> 00:08:03,039 like shardl describes them this way well 196 00:08:07,350 --> 00:08:05,280 they were human size had an odd gray 197 00:08:09,350 --> 00:08:07,360 complexion and a pronounced nose they 198 00:08:10,790 --> 00:08:09,360 were type-fitting jumpsuits thin 199 00:08:13,110 --> 00:08:10,800 headdresses that appeared to be 200 00:08:15,350 --> 00:08:13,120 communications devices and in their hand 201 00:08:17,270 --> 00:08:15,360 they held a translator i was told a 202 00:08:19,430 --> 00:08:17,280 holloman base commander and other air 203 00:08:21,909 --> 00:08:19,440 force officials went out to meet them 204 00:08:23,990 --> 00:08:21,919 emanager tells farrell well although the 205 00:08:25,990 --> 00:08:24,000 pentagon had been very very cooperative 206 00:08:27,830 --> 00:08:26,000 all the way at the last minute the film 207 00:08:30,309 --> 00:08:27,840 was confiscated and we lost the whole 208 00:08:33,190 --> 00:08:30,319 finale of our show he says that what he 209 00:08:36,230 --> 00:08:33,200 saw and heard convinced him that the ufo 210 00:08:38,469 --> 00:08:36,240 phenomenon is real pharaoh asks shardl 211 00:08:40,389 --> 00:08:38,479 what he was told by his superiors and 212 00:08:42,790 --> 00:08:40,399 charles tells him he was told the film 213 00:08:44,870 --> 00:08:42,800 was theatrical footage purchased by the 214 00:08:47,190 --> 00:08:44,880 air force to make a training film 215 00:08:49,590 --> 00:08:47,200 farrell suggests this is a plausible 216 00:08:51,829 --> 00:08:49,600 explanation and charles tells him it was 217 00:08:53,750 --> 00:08:51,839 his job to keep accurate records of such 218 00:08:55,910 --> 00:08:53,760 purchases and that he didn't have one 219 00:08:58,230 --> 00:08:55,920 for the footage in question as far as 220 00:09:00,710 --> 00:08:58,240 this writer can find helen sandler has 221 00:09:01,990 --> 00:09:00,720 never commented on this story as for his 222 00:09:03,990 --> 00:09:02,000 involvement with any sort of 223 00:09:06,150 --> 00:09:04,000 intelligence organization there's one 224 00:09:08,710 --> 00:09:06,160 that is definite he was the producer of 225 00:09:11,110 --> 00:09:08,720 lancelot link secret chimp a show he 226 00:09:13,670 --> 00:09:11,120 describes as like get smart with an 227 00:09:15,990 --> 00:09:13,680 entire cast of chimps emmenegger worked 228 00:09:18,070 --> 00:09:16,000 on the show as a composer both men were 229 00:09:20,470 --> 00:09:18,080 also involved in the creation of several 230 00:09:22,310 --> 00:09:20,480 b-grade science fiction movies so their 231 00:09:24,630 --> 00:09:22,320 choices of creative involvement puts 232 00:09:26,310 --> 00:09:24,640 their background in this writer's mind 233 00:09:28,230 --> 00:09:26,320 in a less serious light than that 234 00:09:30,150 --> 00:09:28,240 portrayed by eminencer when talking 235 00:09:32,310 --> 00:09:30,160 about holloman while it might seem 236 00:09:33,990 --> 00:09:32,320 likely that emanager made up the story 237 00:09:36,389 --> 00:09:34,000 why would charles back him up in front 238 00:09:39,030 --> 00:09:36,399 of a television audience if the story is 239 00:09:41,509 --> 00:09:39,040 true does the dod actually have footage 240 00:09:43,670 --> 00:09:41,519 of aliens and their craft or did they 241 00:09:46,230 --> 00:09:43,680 just say they did and if so to what 242 00:09:49,269 --> 00:09:46,240 purpose what adds to the mystery is that 243 00:09:51,190 --> 00:09:49,279 ufo cover up live has also become part 244 00:09:52,870 --> 00:09:51,200 of ufo history because of the 245 00:09:55,670 --> 00:09:52,880 involvement of richard doty a 246 00:10:08,470 --> 00:09:55,680 self-confessed disinformation agent